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Does anyone have results to the ESB/Fota Hotel 5KM run including non-registered runners, approx 400 ran but only 192 results posted, curious to see the actual results.
They are the official results. I know they had some problems on the day of the Fota Is race with runners leaving the finishing chutes before they were recorded.You're not going to find the full results anywhere else.
Lots of people are bad at lots of races for not holding their place in the finishing chute. It is soooo annoying when someone walks in front of you and you don't want to cry like a baby at them for doing it and sometimes even if you only protest a tiny bit the queue jumpers reply in a way that makes you seem like you're over reacting and being a baby and they say " I was only stretching my legs" or "I was just getting water", etc. Whatever excuse it isn't good enough. It is hard enough on the race volunteers to organise the finish. Rant over!
Funny how all the unregistered runners left the finishing chute. I came 86th and a half.
Aw that's disappointing, it's so much better to have actual results to see how you did, it doesn't matter if the person finishing before or after you is registered or not they still competed against you and vice versa...hope future BHAA results will include both reg & non-reg participants.
myself and my wife did it and we are times ar enot included. We did not leave the chute! A shame considering it was one of our faster runs!
Every competitor who finishes the race should be recorded, as they will have paid the entry fee, it is their entitlement I think.
If everyone had stayed in the finishing chutes instead of wandering off on a whim then the results might have included everyone!Andy Gibson, Eagle AC
While I understand the frustration of people leaving the finishing chute, this point is irrelevant in this case. The fact is that every non reg runner has been omitted from the results. The BHAA should acknowlege this and at least offer some sort of explanation. I would also like to point out that the results of the reg runners may be incorrect. I finished in front of a reg runner and noted in the results that their official time was 15s faster than the time I recorded for myself. Unfortunately, as a non reg runner (who waited in place in the chute for around 10 mins, said my name into a dictaphone and saw my number written onto a clipboard) you will just have to take my word for this!!
Its time for personal chips for people.You purchase a chip at the start of the year, register it with the BHAA name and business ect.Turn up on race day and wave your chip, presto your name comes up on screen.The results should be a whole lot easier then.For non reg runners , give them a no with reusable chip on back and collect after each race.It would be a whole lot easier to pick out the people with no's at the end instead of asking for names and no's.All formats of scoring will be eradicated from the Slow format that is now being applied.Technology is the way forward and the hard working staff of the BHAA can have less hassle about times and reults and concentrate on the Stewarding of the races.
To be honest, that's very sloppy work from the organisers. It's not as though they had a huge number to cater for. Getting the correct times for everyone in the race isn't rocket science.
I'd be willing to offer my help as a software developer free of charge. Maybe some tool could speed things up.
And I wouldnt say its sloppy work from the organizers. They do a great job I think. Also they dont get paid so fair dues to them. Who cares if the results are a week or 2 late. Unless you are in the top 3 that is...
Hi John,I wasn't at The ESB Fota race, so will not comment on the race/results, however I thought I'd respond to Comment no 10, wrt chip timing. Chip timing certainly does remove many of the headaches for organisers, but also bring a load of other headaches. With chip timing, the need for recording finish numbers, names etc, is eliminated, so an awful lot of bodies are freed up for other duties. On the other side, there is a huge amount of data entry required - for *EVERY* race. It isn't a case of just having a chip and 'hey presto', all is fine. Each chip has to be programmed for each individual number every time and all the data for non-regs has to be entered. Fair enough, maybe the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.We then get to the cost. Chip timing for a regular race with 300-400 people is probably going to cost at least €1000 (I don't know the precise cost, as I haven't sought it, but the disposable chips cost between €1 (for very high volume (100,000 region) and €2 each. They can be reprogrammed for re-use, but they have to go abroad for that - more cost. Re-usable chips cost more.I'm guessing that BHAA race entry fees would have to go up by about €4 to cover chip timing.Rather than hiring a system, if it were to be bought, the cost of a system would be of the order of €17,000 (I recently costed this), plus the chips. Write this off over, say, 5 years and, say, 15 races a year - that's €225 a race, plus the chips. That would bring the cost of a 400 person race up to over €600, or over €1.50 a head. In addition, you've to store the gear somewhere - it's bulky - is *YOUR* spouse going to let YOU store it in your garage and have it plugged in permanently? Either way it's not a decision to be taken lightly....and there are a lot of issues arising for a voluntary organisation. I have spoken to several local race directors and all would love to have our own chip system, but the initial outlay and data entry requirements make all take a deep, deep breath. An initial outlay of something in the region of €25,000 is not something that, even combining resources, local clubs are going to be happy to do.The idea is certainly worth looking at in greater detail, but imho, several other far-reaching things would have to happen to make the venture a) possible at all and b) have a reasonable chance of success. It would take a great leap of faith for the clubs, the AAI and the BHAA, probably acting together. I'd really love to see it happen, but I, for one, won't be holding my breath.
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